Hey Jordan! It's been long since I read your work(I don't even know if you're still on Telegram). I was searching for a Newman in my email contacts when I saw that you already had a Substack post already.
One comment I'd like to give about Jim Newman and say Peter Brown(Oh by the way you introduced me to his work about 2 years ago, thank you) is...their pointers are flavors. Paprika and Thyme are two different things. But they are spices. They both point to flavor. They both point to taste. I would be damned if Charles Bukowski isn't even able to point me to THIS! You see, the flavors are also clear. A Jim Newman could dance around the tunes of a 'me' falling away first...and what then happens is a 'me' takes it on as a new project to complete the falling away! That's the exact reason why it appears that Jim's message gives no concession to this 'me'. With the flavor of the likes of Peter Brown, and as you also point out, everything seems to be in place, beautiful of its own accord- nothing to change! But look at that, isn't that the same thing Jim points out?
See, I get understand how one could initially listen to Jim Newman and think..."oh my, I still have a lot to do. I'm not liberated etc". I know how it felt for me even feeling a little sad and hopeless listening to him. But you gotta see what exactly is happening! This is where the beauty of realization really and truly is...you have to see that these flavors truly have nothing in them. Paprika and thyme don't make your food 'sweeter'. They add a little bit of a smell that tricks the mind/buds to thinking the food is better with them. The actual food has all it needs without the help of flavors. I know this analogy may seem like a stretch but see it: the seeking is seeking itself. Once it stops seeking, what's seen is the clarity in Jim's discuss. What's seen is the clarity and beauty in even what you wrote. Not to sound nondual-speakey but if there's a thought that says, "There is still more for me to receive from this messenger", the very beautiful pointer is really about what is trying to receive anything. That which is trying to receive anything is nothing but an illusion. It's the dispelling of that illusion that makes all of this here or there, his message and their message, this pointer or that pointer... it's what makes them seem like a joke...a beautiful joke.
For myself since writing this I’ve actually gone through some additional significant revelations and at present I am actually seeing that nonduality is not the destination. It is a cool space to explore and can reveal much about the miraculous and indefinable unity of God and His Creation. Yet it (at least most forms of it) does not go far enough. It stops at, “This is it now. Nothing further.”
And that is not the full truth. It is a piece and a fun place to hang out, but the soul is called further. The immortal soul is real and longs to be with God — not only in a formless/transcendent way but also in an utterly personal and intimate way. And truthfully as I sense it now, the soul longs to be with God in Heaven — not only in this world, but in the hereafter. The plentitude of God cannot be fully received on Earth. There is a heavenly destination which calls to us in the hereafter. As such there is still a calling for the soul to be diligent and honorable in living God’s will on Earth — both for the inherent sake of Goodness and for the soul’s salvation.
I realize what I’m saying is quite Christian-sounding in nature and departs substantially from (most forms of) nonduality. I offer this simply as a perspective. It is what feels most true to me at present based on direct revelations in recent days. God bless. 🙏🏼❤️🔥
Absolutely! OMG! Another polyhedron you reveal here! I love it! And yes, as someone who has a deeper background in Christianity, I can see this! I orientate to not just seeing each of the sides of the polyhedron, for we get lost in the sides. We can see the whole WHOLE as God itself. Each face we describe being just a face and nothing more. Each revelation just a revelation and nothing more. Each perspective, just a perspective and nothing more. But then God is the one who types and likes this. God is the one who reads this. God is the one seeking a heavenly destination calling to the hereafter yet....always present, going nowhere, revealing himself in this here and now in its different colors. Some colors are the colors of confusion, some the color of insight, some the colors of a discussion like this one. Yet none of this is IT, all of it is IT.
Hey Jordan! It's been long since I read your work(I don't even know if you're still on Telegram). I was searching for a Newman in my email contacts when I saw that you already had a Substack post already.
One comment I'd like to give about Jim Newman and say Peter Brown(Oh by the way you introduced me to his work about 2 years ago, thank you) is...their pointers are flavors. Paprika and Thyme are two different things. But they are spices. They both point to flavor. They both point to taste. I would be damned if Charles Bukowski isn't even able to point me to THIS! You see, the flavors are also clear. A Jim Newman could dance around the tunes of a 'me' falling away first...and what then happens is a 'me' takes it on as a new project to complete the falling away! That's the exact reason why it appears that Jim's message gives no concession to this 'me'. With the flavor of the likes of Peter Brown, and as you also point out, everything seems to be in place, beautiful of its own accord- nothing to change! But look at that, isn't that the same thing Jim points out?
See, I get understand how one could initially listen to Jim Newman and think..."oh my, I still have a lot to do. I'm not liberated etc". I know how it felt for me even feeling a little sad and hopeless listening to him. But you gotta see what exactly is happening! This is where the beauty of realization really and truly is...you have to see that these flavors truly have nothing in them. Paprika and thyme don't make your food 'sweeter'. They add a little bit of a smell that tricks the mind/buds to thinking the food is better with them. The actual food has all it needs without the help of flavors. I know this analogy may seem like a stretch but see it: the seeking is seeking itself. Once it stops seeking, what's seen is the clarity in Jim's discuss. What's seen is the clarity and beauty in even what you wrote. Not to sound nondual-speakey but if there's a thought that says, "There is still more for me to receive from this messenger", the very beautiful pointer is really about what is trying to receive anything. That which is trying to receive anything is nothing but an illusion. It's the dispelling of that illusion that makes all of this here or there, his message and their message, this pointer or that pointer... it's what makes them seem like a joke...a beautiful joke.
Thank you for the wonderful pointers! Good stuff.
For myself since writing this I’ve actually gone through some additional significant revelations and at present I am actually seeing that nonduality is not the destination. It is a cool space to explore and can reveal much about the miraculous and indefinable unity of God and His Creation. Yet it (at least most forms of it) does not go far enough. It stops at, “This is it now. Nothing further.”
And that is not the full truth. It is a piece and a fun place to hang out, but the soul is called further. The immortal soul is real and longs to be with God — not only in a formless/transcendent way but also in an utterly personal and intimate way. And truthfully as I sense it now, the soul longs to be with God in Heaven — not only in this world, but in the hereafter. The plentitude of God cannot be fully received on Earth. There is a heavenly destination which calls to us in the hereafter. As such there is still a calling for the soul to be diligent and honorable in living God’s will on Earth — both for the inherent sake of Goodness and for the soul’s salvation.
I realize what I’m saying is quite Christian-sounding in nature and departs substantially from (most forms of) nonduality. I offer this simply as a perspective. It is what feels most true to me at present based on direct revelations in recent days. God bless. 🙏🏼❤️🔥
Absolutely! OMG! Another polyhedron you reveal here! I love it! And yes, as someone who has a deeper background in Christianity, I can see this! I orientate to not just seeing each of the sides of the polyhedron, for we get lost in the sides. We can see the whole WHOLE as God itself. Each face we describe being just a face and nothing more. Each revelation just a revelation and nothing more. Each perspective, just a perspective and nothing more. But then God is the one who types and likes this. God is the one who reads this. God is the one seeking a heavenly destination calling to the hereafter yet....always present, going nowhere, revealing himself in this here and now in its different colors. Some colors are the colors of confusion, some the color of insight, some the colors of a discussion like this one. Yet none of this is IT, all of it is IT.
Hahaha! I love it! Thanks for engaging Jordan!
Awesome stuff, I like your perspective and your enthusiasm. Much Love : ) 🙏🏼❤️🔥